Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010

Our Choice – Will It Be Troubled Times or Opportunity
Edited Exchange with ‘Another Comment(or)’ on my Nephew’s Blog (inserted 03-05-08) etc.:
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xxxx: It is, I believe, good that ‘The Real xxxx’ has stood up to take accountability for his ‘Luke Warm’ Philosophies: I gladly place your response next to mine for the reader to judge them in their totality.

“Another comment:
“To the author of the baseless rot spewed about ‘…Libertarians, Feminists, and Homosexuals’ in ‘A Continuing thread…;’ as a confirmed independent, my immediate intense reaction to your lashing out at these groups and dogmatic description of your God, was as visceral as you put your position. But, I waited until it passed to offer this more reasoned response. “Unfortunately, it appears that you are ignorant of Libertarianism and perhaps Christianity as well. If you knew enough about what is a Libertarian, you would not be such a critic or would at least criticize from a position of knowledge. Anarchy is as far from the base as you are from the historic truth. Last time I looked, Libertarians do not run the country or even comprise any position of power over people. There are plenty of accurate websites available to teach you about what is a Libertarian. “If you knew enough about your own religion, you would remember that three of the great religions in the world all stem from the God of Abraham. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all hold the prophet Abraham in high esteem. There are accurate websites devoted to this topic as well you can reference. In effect, Jesus is the foundation for Christianity, Mohammed is the foundation for Islam, and Abraham is the foundation of all three. It is hard to accept your argument of a disconnected and isolated God since Jesus was a Jew. This great country of these United States of America survives based upon the Judeo-Christian tradition, not the Christian tradition you espouse. As the USA matures as a nation, we are expanding that tradition to be more inclusive into a wider base of religious tolerance and freedom in operation, not just in words. To dig in your heels and show your bias against particular groups does you and all Americans, whether Christian or not, a disservice, not to mention the uneasiness your position brings to Jews and Muslims alike given their strong connection to Abraham. “Being a Marine, I find your position impossible to defend with logic, but would always defend it with my life since that is the point of freedom and champions of it. My youngest son is doing so today with the Marines in harms way. He’s not fighting just so you can stereotype particular Americans with whom you disagree or dislike. He does so for all of us just like all Marines before him and with him. If you wish to continue to be a judge and critic, learn all you can about what it is you wish to criticize and make certain you understand your own history as well. If you want us to listen to you whether we agree or not, develop a credible argument. Otherwise, pipe down or risk being typecast as an intolerant xenophobic zealot. Besides, screams from the manifestly intolerant make me deaf.”

—–Original Message—–
From: xxx [mailto:xxxx@xxxxx.com]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:37 AM
To: xxxx@xxxxx.com
Subject: Update no.xxxxx

To me, an interesting extension of my comments is to Google ‘Ann Coulter’, Attorney and Author, and go to, among her other material, her treatise, ‘You Tube – Ann Coulter wants Jews “To Be Perfected”. This interview reveals an example of the hostility, in fact hatred, that is I believe typical, that the non-Christian have for Christians. I believe it is a given that most references to Christianity do in fact mean Judeo-Christian. It is also, I believe, true that half-truths invariable are absolute total lies advanced with purpose of deceiving the Liar’s audience. It is, again, blatantly absurd to insist that any non-Christian worships the God of Jesus Christ. It is, I believe, evident that the above speaker is in fact the ‘intolerant xenophobic zealot’ who seeks to ridicule into silence those with views opposing his own. Fortunately, in the United States, we all, Christian and non-Christian alike by law have the freedom, if we choose to exercise it, to free speech. I do believe that no Jew or Muslim or other non-Christian anywhere in the world has a legitimate basis for feeling any physical threat from me, but equally obvious is that many if not most of them ‘violently’ oppose my view and existence. It is my choice is “To Live For My GOD, the GOD of Jesus Christ”; but, on-the-other-hand, I have no wish for or fear of a premature death. Again, with regard to the above speaker, he prior to his response, had access to my full treatment of the subjects at hand: his willful blindness, deafness and intolerance are of his own doing.

From: xxx Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 3:56 PM
To: Herman Osborne
Subject: RE: Update no xxx

Importance: High

Herman,
Thank you for your explanation . . . understood and accepted.
I do not share your view of General Pace’s retirement. First, I am a Marine, and I was and still am quite proud that General Pace was the first Marine to be Chairman. However, Peter demise was not brought about by “Libertarianisms, Feminism and Homosexuality.” His fate came at his hand.
The American military has a long and noble history of being apolitical . . . at least in principle. Peter crossed the line. He made the choice. He bore the consequences. Like all American citizens, Peter is entitled to his opinions; unfortunately, in uniform, he is not entitled to express them.
The beauty of a free Republic . . . you have every right to profess your faith and religion; likewise, I have every right to leave my faith and religion between me and God.
As always, “that’s just my opinion, but I could be wrong.” Cheers, xxx

xxx; It appears to me that we (I, and perhaps also you, and for that matter, virtually everyone) have a tendency to isolate statements of others out of the total context from which they are drawn or spoken, To put down or diminish those opposing our point of view and to Emphasis our own point of view.

What you refer to as my Generalizations ignores my own life experiences I cited in the text below your conclusion, which I do believe legitimately support my own conclusions; and my taking offense to your presumption of being sorry for me is that you dismiss that validity of my own experiences.

Similarly, in our most recent exchange, you presume that my reference to conversions relates to Theological conversion (Saving Souls). On the contrary, like you I am not trained in Theology or Ministry, and, likewise, make no claims in that regard; I do not “Minister’ or ‘Save Souls’ either. But I have no hesitancy to reveal my faith, and in fact take great comfort when others tell me they observe my faith in my walk.

Rather my reference is to conversions was not referring to Theological, but to career achievement or advancements based on our
parentage-upbringing, schooling, training, job and Life experiences. (In the spirit of: To Whom Much Is Given, Much Is Expected.)

I was tremendously angry at the time I dropped out of college and the Regular Naval Reserve Officers (NROTC) program at Oregon State College, and enlisted for naval flight training. I was tremendously proud of my two brothers already serving in the Marine Corps in Korean service at that time (my youngest brother also enlisted and served his tour with The Marine Corps); and in fact my time in the service has proven to be the most valued years of my life.

I take comfort in observing the character and achievements of our Marine Corps General Pace, who was forced into retirement from his position of Chairman Of The Joint Chiefs of Staff. I consider that to have been a most
disgraceful event brought on by our national immorality, and a warning of horrible times to come. I conclude that this travesty against human decency which, again, I believe has been brought on by the Morally Decadent and Diseased Multi-headed Monster of Libertarianisms, Feminism and Homosexuality. My former WebPages presenting ‘My Personal Philosophy’, My statement titled ‘Opportunity vs Troubled Times’, and my, incomplete, Personal Auto-Biography pages are attached.

Again, I should have been more complete in my expressions: One of my adopted ‘Mentors’ is the late Dr. J. Vernon McGee of ‘Thru The Bible
Radio’, whose ministry continues both on worldwide radio and on the internet at www.TTB.org . I subscribe to his philosophy that as a lifelong minister, he felt his calling was not to convert or ‘Harvest’ any soul, but was solely to preach the word of GOD; that GOD reserves the ‘Harvest’ of Souls to HIM-self. (McGee
passed away in the late 1980′s, I believe he was 86. As a young man, after a brief start as a bank trainee, he then entered the ministry;
he retired from the pulpit at 65, when he started his radio ministry which he literally continued to his passing.) His entire ministry is
available on CD’s for less than you spend on one dinner out with your life Partner.)

So, I Our Uncle Phil (and Aunt Eunice) is the only one of my father’s siblings who I have any recollection of professing a Christian faith; though without exception they all reflected Strong and Decent Moral values as have most but not all of my cousins. My Dad’s siblings all demonstrated a Great Love and Concern for my
father, and for me and my siblings which I was always aware of and deeply appreciated.

—–Original Message—–

From: xxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxx.com]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 2:37 PM

To: Herman Osborne

Subject: RE: Update no.xxxxx
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xxxxx; It appears to me that we (I, and perhaps also you, and for that matter, virtually everyone) have a tendency to isolate statements of others out of the total context from which they are drawn or spoken, to put down or diminish those opposing our point of view and to emphasis our own point of view. What you refer to as my generalizations ignores my own life experiences I cited in the text below your conclusion, which I do believe legitimately support my own conclusions; and my taking offense to your presumption of being sorry for me is that you dismiss that validity of my own experiences.
Similarly, in our most recent exchange, you presume that my reference to conversions relates to Theological conversion (Saving Souls). On the contrary, like you I am not trained in Theology or Ministry, and, likewise, make no claims in that regard; I do not “Minister’ or ‘Save Souls’ either. But I have no hesitancy to reveal my faith, and in fact take great comfort when others tell me they observe my faith in my walk.
Rather my reference is to conversions was not referring to Theological, but to career achievement or advancements based on our parentage-upbringing, schooling, training, job and Life experiences. (In the spirit of: To Whom Much Is Given, Much Is Expected.) I was tremendously angry at the time I dropped out of college and the Regular Naval Reserve Officers (NROTC) program at Oregon State College, and enlisted for naval flight training. I was tremendously proud of my two brothers already serving in the Marine Corps in Korean service at that time (my youngest brother also enlisted and served his tour with The Marine Corps); and in fact my time in the service has proven to be the most valued years of my life. I take comfort in observing the character and achievements of our Marine Corps General Pace, who was forced into retirement from his position of Chairman Of The Joint Chiefs of Staff. I consider that to have been a most disgraceful event brought on by our national immorality, and a warning of horrible times to come. I conclude that this travesty against human decency which, again, I believe has been brought on by the Morally Decadent and Diseased Multi-headed Monster of Libertarianisms, Feminism and Homosexuality. My former WebPages presenting ‘My Personal Philosophy’, My statement titled ‘Opportunity vs Troubled Times’, and my, incomplete, Personal Auto-Biography pages are attached.
Again, I should have been more complete in my expressions: One of my adopted ‘Mentors’ is the late Dr. J. Vernon McGee of ‘Thru The Bible Radio’, whose ministry continues both on worldwide radio and on the internet at www.TTB.org. I subscribe to his philosophy that as a lifelong minister, he felt his calling was not to convert or ‘Harvest’ any soul, but was solely to preach the word of GOD; that GOD reserves the ‘Harvest’ of Souls to HIM-self. (McGee passed away in the late 1980’s, I believe he was 86. As a young man, after a brief start as a bank trainee, he then entered the ministry; he retired from the pulpit at 65, when he started his radio ministry which he literally continued to his passing.) His entire ministry is available on CD’s for less than you spend on one dinner out with your life Partner.) So, I Our Uncle Phil (and Aunt Eunice) is the only one of my father’s siblings who I have any recollection of professing a Christian faith; though without exception they all reflected Strong and Decent Moral values as have most but not all of my cousins. My Dad’s siblings all demonstrated a Great Love and Concern for my father, and for me and my siblings which I was always aware of and deeply appreciated.
—–Original Message—–
From: cap [mailto:xxxxxxxxx.com]
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 2:37 PM
To: Herman Osborne
Subject: RE: Update no.xxxxx
Importance: High
Herman,
First, thank you for taking the time to put your thoughts ‘down on the page’ so to speak. Most folks just don’t take the time.
Second, I will ask my Mom ab the Osborne genealogy. I’ll try to have something back in a couple of days, if there is anything to be had.
Now, onto your other comments . . .
There are a few elements of my character that some know and perhaps most do not know. My faith is between me and God; I see no benefit to publicly professing my faith – some may be repulsed; some may find a faux-affinity. I enjoy the middle ground of moderation and I like to say I am all religions and all political parties; I see goodness in each.
It is unfortunate you found offense in my introductory statement – the fault is entirely mine. Sometimes I try to be succinct when a few more words would have been illuminating. Yes, I agree; freedom without constraints can be and often does degenerate to anarchy. I hope you can see in my words that I am not an anarchist. Where I should have added a few more words was ‘within the private domain.’ We have a long history of trying to use the law to dictate private behavior going back to the Comstock Act of 1873, the 18th Amendment, Roosevelt’s New Deal, and the worst of the worst, the Controlled Substances Act of 1970. And yes, there are Libertarian aspects to my argument. I have long espoused smaller, less intrusive government; if that is a sin, then I am a sinner. We have allowed government to subsumed far too many of the responsibilities vested in parents and individuals, and we have far too many citizens who are perfectly content having the government make their decisions for them. I resent the government’s intrusion upon my private life, and I would hope other citizens feel as I do.
I shall take umbrage with the equating of Libertarianism with anarchy, with our society being selfish and self-centered, and especially with the disparagement of feminists and homosexuals. For the record, I emphatically do NOT agree that femnists and homosexuals are morally decadent or have diseased values; in fact, I respectfully submit they possess some of the most noble of human qualities. Herein lies a focused argument for debate. A goodly portion of all those elements are private aspects of an individual that have absolutely nothing to do with their public conduct, performance or contribution. It is in this arena I said what I did at the opening of last week’s Update. I have no fear, no remorse, no hesitancy toward any citizen’s condemnation of my private character; that is their choice; I freely choose to let my public conduct be my testament. If people choose to judge me by some shallow, malevolent label born of their perception of what they do not know, then I doubt they will have any meaningful place in my life. I am not so easily summarized by such labels. As I have stated many times, everyone is entitled to their bigotry. Where such condemnation crosses my line of tolerance comes when someone or group of someone’s seek to produce a law dictating my private conduct and using the full weight of the State to enforce it. That is where my embrace of Libertarian principles begins. The point in my opening remark remains that the majority who may find contentment in projecting their moral values into the private lives of other citizen should find no comfort in such abuse, for one day the shoe may be on the other foot.
Re: God. You present the Christian dictum admirably. It is this parochialism of organized religion that has caused such incalculable destruction in human history. This factional parochialism rejects all other religions by creating a singular possessiveness toward God and concomitant jealousy toward all infidels, and provides the combustibles and ignition for great wars. I see God in a far larger context in that all religions worship the same God, as there is only one true God; the differences rest in the names by which we refer to God and the trivial trappings, incantations and rituals by which we mere mortal humans find meaning in our worship of God’s greatness. I am not a theologian and certainly no expert, but I am a sufficient lay student of religion to recognize the commonality among all religions. If anyone chooses to think less of me for my unwillingness for publicly profess my faith, then that is their choice entirely. I am what I am, and that’s all that I am. God knows my faith, and that is all that counts. I respect and do not think less of any person regardless of their faith. Likewise, their faith is between them and God; I care not.
Herman, I do not recall ever saying that I feel sorry for you; that is a broadly uncharacteristic statement for me to make. So, if I gave you that impression or heaven forbid I ever said such a condescending thing, I most humbly apologize.
As I said earlier, I am not a theologian or ordained cleric in any form. I am not in the business of saving souls. There are others far more qualified for such lofty work than me. I am a man of thought, of ideas, and of debate. I question anything and everything with one purpose – to learn. I choose to share my thoughts and opinions as a respectable number have stated some benefit to their lives. I would like to think my thoughts have given comfort to some, but I shall make no such foolish claim. So, if you have saved one soul, then you are an order of magnitude beyond me.
There are very few contributions I find of no value in responding. My response serves as my statement of worthiness. No worries there. Feel free to comment as you wish, as always. Cheers, xxxxx
From: xxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:xxxxxxx.com]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:56 PM
To: Herman Osborne
Subject: RE: RE: Update no.xxxxxx
Herman,
Yes, we can respectfully disagree on many things . . . that’s the beauty of freedom and an active democratic republic.
It sounds like y’ve had a hard life, and if so, for that I am sorry. I think I’ve lived a good life and I know the Good Lord has watched over me. I have been most fortunate.
Just one quick note . . . where you will find my disagreement is in your generalizations . . . religions, races, guns, whatnot, do not do bad things . . . individual people do. So, I shall respectfully object to the characterization of Jews, of women, or whatever in general. I’ve never liked labels and categorizations; I shall not start now.
Libertarianism believes in minimalist government, and by that I mean the closer to zero the better. They believe government should stay out of people’s private lives, period, and out of their public lives to the greatest extent possible. I cannot say I embrace libertarianism, but I am much closer to that political philosophy than I am the rampant, un-checked, near cancerous Federalism of the current Republican and Democratic parties. There are many social values that go along with this political notion, but most of those are quite sensitive, volatile and not particular comfortable to discuss/debate.
Thanks again for yr cmts. Take care and enjoy.
Cheers,
xxxxxx
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From: “Herman Osborne”
Date: 2007/05/11 Fri AM 11:29:43 CDT
To: xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: RE: Update no.xxxxx
xxxxx: I am comfortable with your conclusions. I have never really understood what it means to be Libertarian? For myself, for example, my brothers feel I am a Socialist: I say no; I am totally for free enterprise, but I also believe unregulated free enterprise releases the ugliest in man’s nature.
This country made a jarring shift to a ruthless unregulated free enterprise when Richard Nixon broke loose from his earlier constraints, for example as Vice President under Eisenhower(?).
From that point forward the entire world economy has been dominated by a Kissinger(?=spelling) mentality with predominately Jewish control over almost all world moneyed interests. International monopolies such as BP Petroleum and Mittal Steel have been permitted to monopolize virtually all of our strategic resources and now rampantly (as was totally predictable) and ruthlessly exploit each of us as consumers.
This type of abuse was present coming in to the 1920′s and early 1930′s but at time was broken up and prosecuted by vigorous Government imposed restrictions against monopolies. The Nixon/Kissinger era produced a total abandonment of protection from the ravages of these newly imposed monopolies. A fellow, believe his name was Green, founder of Litton Industries, started the era of Leveraged Buyout early in the 1960′s; I worked for a company by the name Of Mellonics from 1966 to January 1970 ( they were doing the computer programming for the then Air Force Manned Orbital Laboratory – That program was cancelled about October 1969 and rolled in to a NASA project – wiped out 1,000 jobs at Mellonics overnight).
About 1966 Litton using a leveraged buyout acquired Mellonics; when I joined the company there were then 110 employees. With loss of the Manned Orbital Laboratory contract, which was a subcontract under Lockheed, it was clear Litton had no interest in allowing us to regroup with some new work; and rather quickly (after my departure in January) fired (including my boss who was one of) the four directors and the company founder and President, Frank Druding, and soon sold their interest in the remains to CDC, a Computer Manufacturing organization: we had been using IBM computers, including the 360 series and a companion computer by CDC etc. (Frank Druding, I understand did receive a sweet heart parachute deal)
Litton spiraled in to the major player in leveraged buyouts moving into steel company buyout such as LTV here in the Chicago area; and progressive after raiding their assets, each of its acquisitions were bankrupt out leaving employees out of jobs and losing virtually all of their pensions assets, and the lay stockholders with nothing. In each of these instances the senior corporate officers and Board members were first awarded mega million dollar parachutes etc; and then surprise, surprise the companies file bankruptcy. The ghosts of industrial grave yards still clutter the landscape here.
Regarding military service, I enlisted about December 27, 1952 and was released on December 10, 1959; I resigned my reserve commission believe it was January 1961, anyway as soon as I had completed my required 8-year combined active and reserve time. Other than a few Waves and Wacs and nurses I was not aware of any women in flight operations at that time. I share your observation, that I have worked for and with some very competent women who were always paid and treated at least as good as their male counterparts. There was never any discrimination against women that I was able to discern, and in fact they were always given a preferential advantage over their male counter parts.
As noted earlier, I was subject to discrimination and unfair treatment, just the reverse of what you claim to be the case. The same applies with respect to race. My male manager, for five years at Sylvania EDL did live with another man; he was an exceptionally competent and good manager and related exceptionally well with every one: his domestic position was never visible to us on or off the job. He was released about 6 months before I was in what was presented as layoffs due to lack of contract work; we worked under a military contract doing Electronic Defense R & D. Within two weeks of that layoff I was on another job with a significant increase in salary, so that was fortunate for me.

My last approximately 15 months of active duty I was a Command Pilot on the White House Helicopter Detachment; I was on detached duty from HMX-1 at MCAS Quantico, but flew out of NAS Annacostia, just across the Potomac River from Washington National, and just North of Bolling Air Force Base.
On that assignment I was on duty for 24-hour shifts and then off-duty for 48-hours; a neighbor lady who knew Mortimer Taube, head of Documentation, Inc., introduced me to him, and I was hired as a literature searcher on a contract he had with the U.S. Navy doing R&D for advance instrumentation for submarines and aircraft. A part of my job was to sit in on daily lunches at a nearby restaurant where most of the principals and the technical staff would brainstorm on just about every and any subject.
(All of the principals were Jewish). The conversations ranged from esoteric to mundane, but, for me were totally enlightening and exciting.
One of the principals was and elderly Jewish man who was or had been a design engineer for General Motors, and in the mid-1930′s and took a year sabbatical to go to Germany where he designed the Volkswagen air cooled engine for Hitler; which he was very proud of. Later I watched Discovery Channel presentations showing and discussing the Jewish principal designers of Hitler’s Atomic Bomb project during a time when the Holocaust was ongoing. I was taken aback by the pride the Jews had/perhaps have of applying their expertise to Hitler’s devilish works.
The principals were constantly pushing me to resign and work full time for them. After my release from active duty and going full-time I received the classic and ruthless Jewish treatment on my pay; It ended up being barely half of what they had promised, with the stipulation that they would welcome my continuing to work there, but that they would not honor their prior commitment to me. I thoroughly enjoyed the work and associations there, but was simply too offended by the etc.
—–Original Message—–
From: Herman Osborne [mailto:hermanosborne@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:06 PM
To: ‘x
Subject: RE: Update no.x
Importance: High
—–Original Message—–
From: xxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxx.com]
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 2:37 PM
To: Herman Osborne
Subject: RE: Update no.xxxx
Importance: High
Herman,
First, thank you for taking the time to put your thoughts ‘down on the page’ so to speak. Most folks just don’t take the time.
Second, I will ask my Mom ab the Osborne genealogy. I’ll try to have something back in a couple of days, if there is anything to be had.
Now, onto your other comments . . .
There are a few elements of my character that some know and perhaps most do not know. My faith is between me and God; I see no benefit to publicly professing my faith – some may be repulsed; some may find a faux-affinity. I enjoy the middle ground of moderation and I like to say I am all religions and all political parties; I see goodness in each.
It is unfortunate you found offense in my introductory statement – the fault is entirely mine. Sometimes I try to be succinct when a few more words would have been illuminating. Yes, I agree; freedom without constraints can be and often does degenerate to anarchy. I hope you can see in my words that I am not an anarchist. Where I should have added a few more words was ‘within the private domain.’ We have a long history of trying to use the law to dictate private behavior going back to the Comstock Act of 1873, the 18th Amendment, Roosevelt’s New Deal, and the worst of the worst, the Controlled Substances Act of 1970.
And yes, there are Libertarian aspects to my argument. I have long espoused smaller, less intrusive government; if that is a sin, then I am a sinner. We have allowed government to subsumed far too many of the responsibilities vested in parents and individuals, and we have far too many citizens who are perfectly content having the government make their decisions for them. I resent the government’s intrusion upon my private life, and I would hope other citizens feel as I do.
I shall take umbrage with the equating of Libertarianism with anarchy, with our society being selfish and self-centered, and especially with the disparagement of feminists and homosexuals. For the record, I emphatically do NOT agree that feminists and homosexuals are morally decadent or have diseased values; in fact, I respectfully submit they possess some of the most noble of human qualities.
Herein lays a focused argument for debate. A goodly portion of all those elements are private aspects of an individual that have absolutely nothing to do with their public conduct, performance or contribution. It is in this arena I said what I did at the opening of last week’s Update. I have no fear, no remorse, no hesitancy toward any citizen’s condemnation of my private character; that is their choice; I freely choose to let my public conduct be my testament. If people choose to judge me by some shallow, malevolent label born of their perception of what they do not know, then I doubt they will have any meaningful place in my life. I am not so easily summarized by such labels. As I have stated many times, everyone is entitled to their bigotry. Where such condemnation crosses my line of tolerance comes when someone or group of someone’s seek to produce a law dictating my private conduct and using the full weight of the State to enforce it. That is where my embrace of Libertarian principles begins. The point in my opening remark remains that the majority who may find contentment in projecting their moral values into the private lives of other citizen should find no comfort in such abuse, for one day the shoe may be on the other foot.
Re: God. You present the Christian dictum admirably. It is this parochialism of organized religion that has caused such incalculable destruction in human history. This factional parochialism rejects all other religions by creating a singular possessiveness toward God and concomitant jealousy toward all infidels, and provides the combustibles and ignition for great wars. I see God in a far larger context in that all religions worship the same God, as there is only one true God; the differences rest in the names by which we refer to God and the trivial trappings, incantations and rituals by which we mere mortal humans find meaning in our worship of God’s greatness. I am not a theologian and certainly no expert, but I am a sufficient lay student of religion to recognize the commonality among all religions. If anyone chooses to think less of me for my unwillingness for publicly profess my faith, then that is their choice entirely. I am what I am, and that’s all that I am. God knows my faith and that is all that counts. I respect and do not think less of any person regardless of their faith. Likewise, their faith is between them and God; I care not.

Herman, I do not recall ever saying that I feel sorry for you; that is a broadly uncharacteristic statement for me to make. So, if I gave you that impression or heaven forbid I ever said such a condescending thing, I most humbly apologize.

As I said earlier, I am not a theologian or ordained cleric in any form. I am not in the business of saving souls. There are others far more qualified for such lofty work than me. I am a man of thought, of ideas, and of debate.
I question anything and everything with one purpose – to learn. I choose to share my thoughts and opinions as a respectable number have stated some benefit to their lives. I would like to think my thoughts have given comfort to some, but I shall make no such foolish claim. So, if you have saved one soul, then you are an order of magnitude beyond me.
There are very few contributions I find of no value in responding. My response serves as my statement of worthiness. No worries there. Feel free to comment as you wish, as always.
Cheers,
xxxxxxxx
xxxxxx I could not disagree more with your introductory statement: I believe this is a totally irresponsible anarchistic statement.
Fortunately the founders of this nation understood and feared a pure democracy, which they had just observed destroy France. That is why they established our nation as a government by elected representatives. My observation is that an ‘unregulated free enterprise system’, which you appear to advocate, is a totally ruthless and destructive form of government. Any good we have in our society is the result of ‘the rule of law’ which is ‘of the people, by the people and for the people’. I believe our nation is being severely damaged by Libertarianism, which is just another name for Anarchy: It, I believe, has created the multiheaded monster of a selfish, self-center people including and dominated by Feminists and Homosexuals with their morally decadent and diseased values into every aspect of our society.
I would also like to make two points that you ended our earlier exchange with:
First, you present a statement to the effect that: “We all worship the same God”; This I believe is absolutely not true.
My God is the God of Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit, who commands that we place no other god before HIM. This God also instructs us that our only way to Salvation is thru prayer repenting our sins and asking for forgiveness in the name of Jesus etc.
It appears certain to me that any one not professing a faith in this Trinity does not worship the same GOD that I do. Obviously there are many gods that we may worship, including no god at all, which privilege our USA Constitution grants to each of us. This GOD of mine does not command us to acknowledge or worship him; in fact he only accepts us as his own when we act of our own FREE WILL in coming to him, and in-fact tells us that at our final day of judgment he will not hear the pleas of any who have rejected him at the conclusion of our mortal life. On the Contrary, he tells us he will hear all who repentantly come to HIM in the name of Jesus.
Secondly, xxxxx, I did and do take offense to your earlier dismissive comment about feeling sorry for me. I never have been sorry for my life. I will be 76 this coming May 13th, and have been and will remain grateful for everyday of my life. I acknowledge that I have made many huge mistakes of judgment throughout my life, and have not dealt well with many situations and opportunities that were made available to me. But sorry I am not and again I resent any assumption of sorrow on my behalf when I share my life experiences: rather I would suggest profiting from my life experiences.
I wonder, xxxxxx, if you have any appreciation for the comparative conversion rate for good you have achieved in your life versus my life. You appear to luxuriate in a boring inconclusive intellectual re-hassling of many diverse events but with virtually no net gain of position including a profession of any ‘faith’ you may have.
xxxx, I know I am being harsh in these observations, and ask that you try to find it in your heart to forgive me for that; I would love to hear further from you when and if and as feel so disposed.
Best wishes,
Herman, Jr.
P.S. By the way, xxxx, before she passed away, my sister, Catherine put together some auto-biographical notes and genealogy, but it is devoid of a history of my father’s father’s family history. Are you aware of any treatise of the Osborne family history. As a youth I recall some speculation about an Osborne family bible (book), but no comment on what may have become of it. Any observations in that regard.
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Reference: This today’s/evenings Fox News coverage of the Virginia Tech Massacre: Earlier this evening a Grade School and High School Classmate of the shooter was interviewed. This Classmate casually recounted how the shooter was taunted on numerous events for his speech difficulties when he, the shooter, was called on to answer questions in front of the class, etc. I find it appalling how this classmate and his fellow classmates take such comfort in describing their conduct in taunting this individual, with no apparent guilt or remorse for the end results of their cruel and irresponsible conduct. I am further dismayed at the Virginia Tech students who are collectively celebrating the lives of their now deceased fellow classmates without any apparent remorse and further with no acknowledgement of their, the taunters’, responsibility for the creation for this monster, the shooter. It appears to me the Fox News Team is totally missing the obvious in who and what created this monster shooter. In my web site Philosophy web page I note the History of the Khmer Rouge in the Massacres in Cambodia described by Haing Nigor in the book ‘Cambodian Odyssey’ which was his real life story and which was the basis of the movie ‘The Killing Fields’; wherein he notes the absolute ‘rage’ that developed in the peoples of the Khmer Rouge who identified the Middle and Upper Class citizens, in mass, as the source or their pain. I note with concern the rapidly growing masses in our society, typified be the growing numbers of people who no longer can qualify for or afford health care, and how unconcerned the Middle Class and the Wealthy are to the plight of their less fortunate brethren. We are indeed a cruel society.
To me, it seems obvious and inevitable that social ( as well as economic/political) abuses (by the perceived privileged) yields a building rage that eventually erupts in unreasonable violence: I would also note that this rage historically builds in a person and a people who lack the intellectual and moral courage to take responsibility for their own indolence (and resulting isolation and most likely poverty) – I am not sympathetic to the shooter, but I am equally disappointed in the lack of intellectual and moral courage and honesty in the shooters’ taunters, which collectively included his teachers and school staffers who permitted such taunting and isolation to continue. This is certainly not a Christian Community. O’Reilly and his guest settle for this shooter being a Psychopath: that of course is true, but the point overlooked is who created and nourished this psychopath. I think it obviously starts with his parents, but is further nourished to its inevitable conclusion by taunting classmates and indifferent (and lazy) teachers and staffers.
Comments invited..
Herman Osborne
HermanOsborne@msn.com
Saint John, Indiana 46373
10/14/04 Preface: It has dawned on me after watching the Presidential Debate last night that now dramatizes my realization of a problem I face and I suspect many if not most Americans face: That problem is placing ‘UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS’ or Demands, especially on our Candidates and others in Public and Military Services, and on our fellow citizens in general. I often feel that my own wife places a burden or expectation for perfection on me, that I typically respond to that “I DO NOT WALK ON WATER”. No one short of our God and Lord, in my case, Jesus Christ, could possibly meet all of those expectations; I have to take refuge by thinking: “I am not perfect, Just Saved” or something to that effect. But what I do expect, though I often do not have the privilege of demanding, is that others and in particular those who hold themselves out for Public Office at least try to be TRUTHFUL AND HONEST in all their dealings in both official and personal aspects. I do allow that in the interest of both national and personal security some things must be left unsaid and that it is not always in the best interest of our country to public discuss some issues. Also, I take issue with legal constructions that command responses that unfairly invade a persons private life jeopardizing their personal or political position; for example where pleading a fifth amendment right not to respond to a matter that is truly a private matter which neither the public nor the questioner has a legal right to know or ask.
An example of my point on unrealistic expectations is when parents criticize a school board member or teacher for their performance, but yet fail to address the teacher or board personally and further fail to participate in PTA and Board meeting themselves. Similarly would be criticizing a party nominee’s position when we have failed to participate in the ‘Grass Root’ campaigning or meetings that lead up to the nominee’s being selected. In last nights debates I realize that no one candidate can possibly meet all of my expectations and I am left with choosing the better of two alternatives (perhaps the better of two evils if I were to be negative about it). In the present case, I believe I must deal with ‘SHADES OF TRUTH’, and overemphasis if not outright exaggerations and on the other hand OUTRIGHT LIES and avoidance of truthful responses. I am also disturbed by a parties unwillingness to admit error; as I do believe it is an error and a flaw in basic character not to view oneself as a ‘WORK-IN-PROGRESS’; I think such a display is complete ARROGANCE, and stupidity, which I do not believe we can afford in any public service or office.
10/07/04 E-Mail sent with Philosophy -06-19-03 Former Website Page as an Attachment:
For some it is ‘A Time Of Opportunity’; For some these are also ‘Troubling times’:
The issue, I believe, centers on, and is the proper Separation of ‘State’ and, let’s call it ‘Theology’: I chose to believe that the founding fathers of these ‘United States’ of (North) America, ultimately, had a pretty clear grasp of what they were doing when they debate and finally wrote our founding documents, The Constitution of The United States Of America, The Bill Of Rights, and other documents that constituted the written evidence of the principles of government finally adopted for our new country. Many of our founders were Christians and many were not. I do believe that Christian fundamentals were all controlling in their collective thought processes, and are, if only by inference, thoroughly imbedded within those documents.
It is I believe equally clear, that the intent of our founding fathers was for this nation to be an ‘Inclusive’ society and government, that would not offend peoples of responsible moral persuasion, be they Christian, non-Christian, agonistic, atheistic or any other persuasion. By inference, perhaps, I believe we are all subject to ‘Universal i.e Global’ rules of ethical, moral and honest conduct. I hope and believe it was intended that we apply, particularly for Christians, and many other faiths, the rules of conduct that are embodied in the ‘Ten Commandments’ which provides a ready made packaging of these rules of conduct.
I think it is further equally clear, that there is to be no prohibition for all citizens to practice their faith or lack of faith whatever so long as it did not deny or limit the lawful rights of others to similarly practice their beliefs; And, perhaps by inference only, there was to be no restrictions on citizens to publicly advocate for their beliefs, so long as their advocacy doesn’t ‘improperly’ limit or threaten the rights of others.
At issue here is the open hostility and even criminalization of conduct that some, and in fact many, governments and faiths impose on their citizens and constituents, prohibiting what they refer to as procilatization (recruiting) of citizens or people to or away from their beliefs. This was discussed a few days ago on a PBS radio program, which shared statements where several people of Jewish persuasion expressed frightening rage with one of their former members who was advocating on the street for ‘Jews for Christ’;
Of course, we have many instance of similar explicit threats coming from the Muslim communities, many advocating and voicing death threats to those who do not conform to their beliefs.
In a recent article in the Chicago Tribune the Tribune reporter quoted several sources commenting on the ‘Radio Islam’ program that attributed what I believe were totally distorted and absolutely false positions to the U.S. government and others, apparently trying to build a case of persecution of the Muslim community. I personally find this article and comments to be threatening and frightening, in fact terrifying.
I believe these and other critics of our society also have a duty to do positive due diligence and inquiry into what the beliefs and feeling of Christians are rather than simply airing there hate philosophies amongst themselves on public airwaves and media.
I am attaching below my synopsis of the Tribune article which I am referring to. I am also posting an attachment to this e-mail of my former website Philosophy page.
I believe it is clear that no Democratic or Freedom loving people can tolerate any government that imbeds any theological advocacy within their government. On the one hand all Democratic and Freedom loving people must, can and I hope will always insist on their rights, as individuals (including candidates for public office while campaigning for election), to hold to and advocate for any ‘responsible’ ‘Moral’ persuasion of their choice, both, and particularly within their own homes and private places of worship, and publicly but then only in a manner that is non-threatening to the audience present at that public advocacy. In particular, I do not believe any government official should ever proffer (theological propositions), while acting in any official capacity, any theological opinions, views or edicts.
I believe that public adornment with dress and apparel unique to a particular persuasion is very quickly both threatening and offensive; and particularly when a jury of peers so views it as such, then it should become a banned practice: I believe the wearing of Unique Head dress (turbans, caps, etc.), Tunics, Robes etc. and other unique apparel, jewelry, piercings etc. fits into this area of practice which should not be accommodated. (For instance, Christ Jesus in Revelations is quite specific in admonishing against the use of any such apparel as a means of separating or distinguishing a minister within and from members of their congregation.
I believe it is a sad commentary on the practices of virtually all leaders of almost all faiths, sects and cults who none-the-less adorn themselves in a manner so as to separate themselves from lay members of their congregation as well as the public at large. Dr. J. Vernon McGee emphasizes this teaching by Christ in his reading and studies of Revelations.
Further, it is an abuse of a trust, and I think a crime, for such leaders to adorn themselves with expensive jewelry, automobiles, homes etc. paid for with money drawn from collections (which were given to further the work of their faith).

A related issue is allowing any religious non-profit or tax exempt status, frankly to any non-government entity or activity. Such exemptions and status are, I believe, a blatant violation of the concept of separation of State and Church.

Which leads to another issue: It seems that a disease of leadership appointment is to turn that appointment into a vehicle for personal power, wealth, and aggrandizement and gratification in general. This seems a universal problem, whether the leadership is as a head of government (Nations, States, Municipalities, all other units of government etc.), a church, a congregation, a corporation, a Tribal Warlord or whatever. Within the theological realm, Imam’s, Rabbi’s, Pope’s, Bishops, Priests, Ministers, Preachers; and even within domestic house holds between spouses and partners: you name it, it is a common disease: THE ABUSE OF POWER.
It appears to me that with very few exceptions these leaders almost invariably have created their entities (Religious Denominations, Sects, Congregations, Tribes etc. to serve as a financial and social power base for themselves, and then as in the instance of Homosexuals, So-Called Celibate Priests, Polygamists and Tribal leaders, for Example such as Osama Bin Laden, have regularly extended those power bases to serve their, often morbid, sexual interests.
It is my understanding and belief that virtual all faiths follow the principles, set forth also in the Christian Bible, that dictate that in all natural (God’s) creation their is only one head; and now I come back to the head (the Headship) of the domestic household. The Christian Bible tells us that this is a love Headship; which means to me that authority exists with divine authority only when it is exercised with Christian Love. Further, I do not believe this Headship extends beyond the domestic confines; in other words as soon as the man or woman steps outside the relationship of the domestic household they then no longer have that authority, of and, granted to this headship.
I believe a Worst Case Example of the abuse of, and a purported extension of, this domestic authority is found in the practices of the Islamic Religion, and to varying degrees practiced in many if not most other societies in today’s world, both in domestic, corporate, government and public environments.
I am simply amazed by how many presumably emancipated woman choose to stay in, return to or recruit themselves into the slavery of this practice, particularly in the Islamic Community, which I believe is a fraudulent interpretation when applied outside the domestic consenting household. Another vivid Domestic example is the practice within The Church of The Latter Day Saints (The Mormons) to excuse the practice of polygamy, which of course many if not most in the Islamic faith also practice.
With respect to Homosexuals, isn’t it interesting that so many Governments, Heads of Governments, Politicians, Celibate professing Priests, Bishops and Ministers, etc. in general, are today permitted to thrive feeding on the very people they are charged with protecting to satisfy their Morbid Lusts. I do not believe any politician or anyone else for that matter, who panders to, promotes or participates in Same Sex Marriage or Homosexual conduct of any sort will pass muster at their judgment day with Jesus Christ; I believe that unless they are able to confess this sin, repent and ask forgiveness in the name of Jesus Christ, they all do and will face an eternity in condemnation. Even Non-Christians who will read the Christian Bible for its historical content have to be themselves mortified at how the God of Christ Jesus did and I am sure will deal with them.
True, Jesus Christ shows us the Love this God has for his entire creation and how he yearns for each of his creations to confess, repent of their sins and ask for forgiveness in the name of Jesus Christ; and join his Jesus Christ in salvation, So Yes this is a God of Love. Yet, this is also a Holy God, A Totally Just God and A Very Jealous God who has told us very clearly what his rules for salvation are, and what the future holds for each of us, both the Saved and the Un-Saved. I believe The born-again Christian must be the Envy of the entire Non-Christian World: Even the Old Testament records many events of how enemies of God non-the less knew and understood the truth and power of his words and understood when they were told of their impending death for defying Gods laws. Even most of his own people were and even today remain ‘stiff necked’ sinners who would not and still will not repent and they must all, in truth, know the unfortunate future that awaits them; I am sure they each tremble in their stubborn prideful hearts. True Christians understand that all those other people have very troubled times ahead of them, and our, including mine, hearts bleed and cry out for them to hear and act now while they can. We also understand that the only task we are permitted to undertake is to spread the word, and that after that it is between the Hearer of the Word and (Our) God what their decision will be. We have no further authority or choice and can only pray for them, that they will hear and come to him, now.
My own children wonder about what they can do, and what the future holds for this Country and The World and themselves and their children. Well, I happen to believe that the ‘United States’ exists only because and subject to the will of This GOD, and that it and we will be judged as were Sodom and Gomorrah, along with the rest of the fallen world. Nineveh was allowed a final 400 years to get their act together before he took them away to their judgment. Only this Lord God knows for each given individual, ultimately, what that judgment will be and how much more time we will have before it is executed. I would pray that all of ‘mine’ including myself go with the rapture; but I am also content to place myself in my Lord God’s hands and to suffer his will for me. Amen.
These are problems that I believe are at the heart of the struggle today. Many of us today are focused on the Middle East conflict. I believe that in reality these issues and problems are the driving force behind most of those practicing Terrorism throughout the world today.
Again, I believe that the Christian Faith has to be the envy in fact by ever other faith, sect or belief on earth, past or present. The Christian Bible defines itself as a closed book: it declares itself to supersede all prior doctrines and is closed to any purported future claims (Such as that of the Mormons) pending the Second Coming of Christ Jesus. By definition, in the Christian Bible, there is only one intercessor between man and his one and only true God (and that is the God of Christ Jesus) and that intercessor is Jesus Christ. He tells us that he will only hear us when we come to Him (God ) in the name of Jesus Christ, and then his only requirement for salvation is that when we Confess our sins and Repent of them and ask for forgiveness in the Name of Jesus Christ that He our God (Not just Jesus Christ) will then and only then ( He our God) will forgive us of those sins (If you will, he washes us white clean (in the name of and through or with) the Blood Of HIS Son, Jesus Christ).
Until we collectively understand all these issues and articulate them clearly, I do not believe we will move much closer to peace with the Terrorists, and the Islamic, Jewish and for that matter the Non-Christian World; and in the alternative I believe we will then continue in the present death spiral under Terrorism and on into and thru the Apocalypse, until our Lord Jesus Christ reappears in our lives with his Second Coming.
I do believe this is a Time Of Opportunity or In The Alternative the beginning of Very Trouble Times.
I am Sincerely yours,
Herman Osborne.
PS: Particularly, with respect to Politicians and political campaigning, I think it would be useful if candidates, office holders, and commentators, and in fact if all of us could and would acknowledge that we are willing to look for ways to improve our own ideas and positions as we all learn from experience and training; and accordingly that we view ourselves as well as others whom we respect, which may often included our opponents, are in fact ‘WORKS IN PROGRESS’. And as long as we have life in our body I hope we will remain so. I reserve for myself, and allow to others the same, right and the obligation to adjust my views without apology, as my experience and knowledge base grows. That even includes the right to admit I was wrong or less than perfect as I deem to be true and appropriate, and I do not and will not apologize when I do so, ever, for this, not even at my present age of 72 (at the time of this writing).
I recommended that you visit and study the following website: www.ThruTheBible.org
1997- 2001 Thru the Bible Radio Network
P.O. Box 7100, Pasadena, CA 91109
In Canada: Box 25325, London, Ontario N6C 6B1
Phone: (626) 795-4145 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (626) 795-4145 end_of_the_skype_highlighting or (800) 65-BIBLE begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (800) 65-BIBLE end_of_the_skype_highlighting (24253)
Extracted comments were detailed in an article in The Chicago Tribune, Metro Section 4, Page 3, Sunday October 3, 2004: by Chicago Tribune Religious Reporter Geneveive Adbo (NIB).
10/03/04 WCEV-AM 1450, 5366 West Belmont Avenue, Chicago, Illinois 60641-4193 (773)282-6700 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (773)282-6700 end_of_the_skype_highlighting WCEV@earthlink.net. Re the ‘Radio Islam” Program that airs daily from 6 to 7 PM, hosted by Dr. Altaf Kaiseruddin (Pictured) ( A Dr. M. Altaf Kaiserduddin is listed at 607 South 56th Avenue, #7, Wausau, Wisconsin 54401-3889 (Non-Published Phone) and a Mohammed Kaiseruddin is listed at 607 South 56th Avenue (715)849-5627 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (715)849-5627 end_of_the_skype_highlighting (Res): He hopes the program will help build a bridge of understanding. (He dresses in a long, white, Islamic Tunic.); he is depicted doing an on air interview with a Stand-up Comedian, ‘Preacher Moss’ (not pictured) who sounded a loud “Salaam Aleikum”, the Arabic Greeting meaning “Peace Be Upon You”; commenting on his 30-City tour ‘Allah Made Me Funny”.
Imam Abdul Malik Mujahid (There is a listing for an Abdul-Aheem Mujahid at 144 North Main Street, Farmville, Virginia 23901-1349 (434)392-4918 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (434)392-4918 end_of_the_skype_highlighting (Res))(An A. Mujahid is listed at 5228 Prescott Road, Baton Rouge, LA 70805-5261 ((225)357-2095) (A Mohammed Mujahid is listed at 214 Gazebo Lane, Lombard, Illinois 60148-7118 (630)627-9728 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (630)627-9728 end_of_the_skype_highlighting) is Producer of ‘Radio Islam’. He (Mujahid) says the goal of the program is to tell non-Muslim listeners things they often don’t believe or want to hear: Islam Does Not Condone Terrorism; Islam is not at war with the West; and your Muslim neighbor is your friend. He say’s “we are not a fighting type of talk show. It will be a civilized conversation among neighbors, who may not agree.” (He says) ‘Radio Islam is a ‘mom-and-pop’ station, whose call letters WCEV stand for “We’re Chicago’s Ethnic Voice”. The station was created 25-years ago; it reaches listeners in Chicago, the Southwestern Suburbs and parts of Indiana.
Mujahid, The Executive Producer, is President of SoundVision (There is a Sound Vision listed at 9056 South Harlem Avenue, Bridgeview, Illinois 60455 (708)598-0727) (There is a listing for SoundVision in Winsboro, LA 71295) a Bridgeview – Based Company that produces Videos and other programs for teaching the Koran and Arabic; He said he decided to create a Muslim Program several months ago and began searching for a commercial station that would put ‘Radio Islam’ on the air.
The Program Director for WCEV is Lucyna Migal (A L. Migla is listed at 1366 West Fullerton Avenue, Chicago, Illinois 60614-2129 (773)929-4179 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (773)929-4179 end_of_the_skype_highlighting, whose father, Joseph (NIB), founded the Station. She says the station for years has aired Brokered Programming in Polish, Arabic, Bosnian and a host of other Foreign Languages, including Gaelic. She said: “We tend to be the Ethnic Public Radio Station”.
Jenan Diab (A Jenan Diab is listed at 2610 South Sixth Street, Rockford, Illinois 61109-1149 (815)229-0926 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (815)229-0926 end_of_the_skype_highlighting.
10/0303 Sama Siblani (NIB), Publisher and Founder of Arab American News, 5706 Chase Road, Detroit, Michigan (Based) 48126 (313)582-4888; commenting on: The WCEV-AM 1450 ‘Radio Islam’ Program.
10/03/04 (Ms) Aminah McCloud (NIB) ( R & A McCloud are listed in Chicago, Illinois 60649-4711 (No address listed) (773)768-2937 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (773)768-2937 end_of_the_skype_highlighting, a Professor in The Islamic Studies Program (NIB) at DePaul University (There is a listing for DePaul University at 2320 North Kenmore Avenue, Chicago 60614 (773)281-2635, said the Media Bias was part of a ‘Larger Atmosphere’ in the United States that encourages discrimination against Muslims. She says: “For the first time the {U.S.} Government has given a license to people to attack others based on their religion:
10/03/04 Steve Rendall (a Stephen is listed at 10 west Lyons Street, Melville, N>Y> 11747-1025 (631)423-3832 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (631)423-3832 end_of_the_skype_highlighting) with the Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, a National Watchdog Group (listed at 112 West 27th Street, New York, N.Y. 1001 (212)633-6700) say’s “the press in the United States pretends to be objective but often is biased; particularly when it concerns articles about Islam”.
10/03/04 Kamran Memon (K Memon is listed in Morton Grove, Illinois 60053-1546 (No address listed) (847)966-9151 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (847)966-9151 end_of_the_skype_highlighting), a Chicago Civil Rights Lawyer was one of seven hosts on WCEV-AM 1450 ‘Radio Islam’ show that airs daily from 6 to 7 PM. Memon says “It is so important for Muslims to discuss things among themselves.
10-19-04 Notes extracted from my January 2004 Former Biography Web Page:
(My Oldest Son speaking)
If you could live another hundred years with perfect health, would you go back to college?
Absolutely, and this time I would stay there to follow my own advise.
If so, what would you study?
At the time I wanted to be a school teacher; but had I finished and graduated from the NROTC Program, I would first have served four years as an Officer in the U.S. Navy; maybe I would then have asked to go on to Naval Flight School ( I remember, while attending a 4-H Club summer camp at Oregon State College when I was maybe 11 or 12, saying to Mary Levine who was sitting next to me (we were sort of boy/girl friends then), when we were sitting in the Oregon State Auditorium watching a movie with a news clip of the submarine picking up Lt. George Bush after purportedly being shot down by the Japanese**, that some someday I am going to be a Naval Aviator too; I also told her I wonder what happened to his crew members**); and I am sure I would have wanted to stay in the Navy for a full career; I am sure I would have enjoyed that, and often wished I had stayed with the Navy instead of volunteering for the USMC; just a lot of obvious advantages I passed up. Upon retirement from service as a Naval Aviator, I would have wanted to have completed Law School and passed the Bar Exam; and then while and after practicing law, specializing in real estate and insurance law, which would include minors in accounting and tax law studies, I think I would then have liked to have run for and served thru to a final retirement from the U. S. Senate. I do not believe anyone should ever enter into either a church ministry or elected public office until they have first completed a successful business or professional career and completed raising their children; while I have an interest in the Christian ministry I do not believe I have ever had a sufficient passion for it to justify that as a career focus, though I most certainly admire that passion in others who have met the success criteria that I am suggesting is the appropriate precursor to such a career ambition. In other words I do not believe that either any religious and in particular a ‘Christian’ ministry, or service in politics, should ever be in lieu of a job or working for a living, though the ‘Ministry’ is of course a very worthy ‘work’, as also political service should be. I am very much opposed to ministries that set up their little ‘breeding pens’, particularly in foreign countries, and use or ‘reward’ indigenous workers to minister to their physical care and pleasures; these have historically been absolutely negative models with no residual positive remnant once the hosting culture or society ultimately expunges those ministries. Similarly, societies historically suffer devastation from the purported services of mercenaries serving as their politicians. These are two areas (Ministry and Politics) that money just can not buy what is needed (by the peoples of the societies). (**After having served as a Naval Aviator and Helicopter Pilot in the USMC, I have become even more convinced than I was when I made that observation at the age of 11 or 12 that purely on the basis of logical deduction of the circumstantial evidence, that then Lt. George Bush’s two episodes in downings his aircrafts, first during the Battle of The Coral Sea, and then two weeks later during his subsequent squadrons attack on a Japanese communication tower and facility were not heroic events but instead were intentional, cowardly and murderous acts to avoid participating in near suicidal mission assignments. Two weeks after his loss of the election to then President Elect Clinton a historical documentary of those events was aired, I believe it was on Channel 11 TV, or perhaps it was channel 48, our history or discovery channel. In this presentation one of his crewmen in the first downing was interview, and then one of his wingmen in the second event when instead of doing an open water ditching, as he done on his first downing (just out of anti-aircraft range from his carrier, then under attack by the Japanese), he bailed out leaving his two crewmen to be lost at sea as his then pilot less plane flew on off in to oblivion, while he floated down to be picked up by the waiting submarine. In that second instance just as he started his bombing run he declared a Mayday, claiming he had been hit by anti-aircraft fire; in the interview for TV Bush said he felt his aircraft jump from the explosion and assumed his crewmen were dead as he had no communication with them (the Gunner and Navigator being in the compartment to the rear of his pilot compartment. Of course the pilot totally controls the communication system to prevent inadvertent transmissions by simply switching off the Navigator or Gunner from communicating with anyone – no witnesses you see.) His carrier based controller had advised him that his options were to try to make it back to the ship; that if he bailed out over the Japanese held Island the Japanese policy was to execute captured pilots on the spot; or he could try to fly out to sea 50 miles or so where a submarine would try to pick him up before the Japanese got to him. His wingman stated that he saw no evidence of smoke, fire or damage to the plane, this in a video taped interview, segments of which also include a session with then President Bush, also. Bush, rather than doing an open water ditching as he had two weeks earlier demonstrated his skill at doing and which would have permitted an opportunity for his crewmen to have also been rescued, instead bailed out, leaving his two crewmen to be lost as the plane flew on further out to sea. His crewman in the earlier downing only volunteered how grateful they were to have been saved; as there were virtually no survivors of the planes that flew on to attack the Japanese fleet. In the TV interview it was stated that a review board in the first downing allowed that his reported engine failure theoretically could have been the result of friendly fire, though neither Bush nor the crewmen commented on that possibility. The pilot does have control of the fuel switch which can easily be manipulated to simulate a failing engine. That model of Torpedo Bomber carried a huge bomb load but was a slow lumbering plane that were easily shot down by the defending anti-aircraft guns of the Japanese fleet. During this TV video presentation Bush was shown numerous photos from his previous flight operations in which he was employed doing only photo reconnaissance, for which he flew above 10,000 feet, out of anti-aircraft artillery range and only in operations where our Navy fighter pilots had air superiority to pretty much guarantee his safety. But during the Battle of The Coral Sea, it was an all out ‘Dog Fight’ in which both U.S. and Japanese forces each lost over 400 aircraft, and many Big and small ships; Bush’s own carrier being under attack by the Japanese at the time he was launched, so he was then to be exposed to real combat, which he of course personally avoided by downing his aircraft. In a more recent news release it was reported that, similar to President Kennedy’s PT109 boat having been found, that Bush’s plane had also been found, but that he asked that the plane not be retrieved but left alone where it went down, I think for the obvious reason of not revealing any evidence of why it went down. (It interesting to me that at the time, the news on Kennedy’s incident was that he was under attack by a Japanese fighter plane, and ran his boat aground to escape that attack; several years later that story changed to his boat having been cut into by a Japanese destroyer in the dark of night, and his swimming to a distant island with one of this crewman in tow, a more heroic story, if you will. Seems like in those days heroes were created as needed, facts be damned. Have things changed, now??) After those events the politically connected Lt. Bush disappears from the combat scene, to later appear at the CIA, and then as Vice President and finally as President, ‘the man of character adored by the ‘Christian Church’. I suspect historians will ultimately find further significant activities and involvement throughout the era’s of the Kennedy Assassinations and the subsequent Iranian debacles and ongoing related evolutions in International Arms for Oil deals.)
(‘It seems to me that Middle-American’ employee’s and small business owners must become responsibly, intellectually and morally, involved in our political processes rather than acting like puppets being controlled by our corporate and political bosses, and special interest lobbyists; we must come to hold ourselves responsible for inaction as much as holding our ‘corporate’ and political leaders and lobbyists criminally liable for their misdeeds. We need to rethink and act on circumstantial evidence; and include prosecution of softheaded ‘judges’ who subvert our criminal justice system with obviously biased (mis-) judgments. We must not allow ourselves to be deceived by ‘evil doer’s’ who deflect our attention from their own misdeeds by purporting to be aggressively looking for some other fictional ‘evil doer’.
On Monday evening, January 6, 2004 at 10:00PM +/- I tuned in to C-Span to a live broadcast of an interview/speech by Kevin Phillips on his book he has recently released titled ‘American Dynasty’ in which he has traced the trail of the Bush Family ‘dynasty’ starting in the 1920′s forward to the present. He points out that his book is based entirely on information in the ‘public record’; he cites the New York area ‘Green Book’, a directory of corporate Boards of Directors as one of his most productive and revealing information sources.)
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Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: Confirmation of receipt of package
(To My Oldest Son) A week or so ago, I watched the tail-end of a C-Span discussion with Author, Kitty Kelly on her new book ‘The Family: The Real Story of The ‘Bush Dynasty’; she apparently has a couple of earlier books that are also poignant discussions of presidential politics. She obviously is not popular with the Bush family; sounds like it will be an exciting read. She has a real sparkling personality.
Similarly about a month ago I watched a discussion on C-Span by Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colorado, in which he discussed
a recent book by Samuel Huntington, “Who Are We’. Rep. Tancredo had spoken to a high school class in his district in Colorado where he posed the question something along the lines of ‘What does being an American mean to you’. He points out that no student or teacher dared to answer, because as he points out they were all petrified/afraid to offend others by saying
what being an American meant to them individually, the fear being that to be politically correct in that atmosphere where they are being taught to accommodate diversity really in fact means suppressing or denying who they
are themselves. He went on to amplify with his experience in Congress, and in discussions with the Mexican Ambassador on the issues involved in illegal Mexican Immigrants and Immigration broadly; he cites some really alarming things that are going on. We are literally being invaded by millions of illegal immigrants, and no politician dares to speak out about the problem; The Bush administration thinks it’s good for business to ignore the problem.
Would challenge you and your siblings to become informed citizens; and then tell me just how bigoted you really think I am. I am having another round with Microsoft on resolving problems with my MSN e-mail; in which I have had two discussions with an Indian lad in Bombay, India; Very Polite, but totally ignorant or incompetent.. it is very frustrating…
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Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:31 AM
Subject: RE: Case SRZ031203000596 : ESC INR/Winup/WinXP/Initialization Error
(To My Oldest Son) I am imbedding my responses, point by point in your message below.

I did resolve the problem; not sure if Microsoft had anything to do with it though I suspect they modified the online update routine to bring up an ‘Update Wizard’ that stalled twice and then on the third try made a 76MB download which took 6 hours to download and another couple of hours to install; which I suspect was a reload and install of the entire Windows XP.

I had purchased my laptop 30 days before XP was released in the face of an ad that said XP would be included when it was released. However Dell rewrote the lease and left that out which I overlooked; after a couple of
months when I didn’t get the update I asked them to send it as promised but they refused to. I then discovered that they had made the deletion in the final version of the lease. Neither Dell nor Microsoft would make good on
that. I then purchased three updates, one for my laptop, one for my desk top and one for June’s computer.
My laptop loaded without a hitch, but my desktop was a nightmare. Because I did not try to load it until several months after I got it neither Dell not Microsoft would help with the
installation problem, and I had to pay their $35.00 charge ‘per incident’ to get that problem resolved. After spending probably close to 15 hours in 4 sessions on the phone and with out their succeeding in resolving that
problem I then worked on my own and am not sure just what I did but all of a sudden after many crashes and restarts it suddenly started working, apparently ok.
After another couple of months I finally tried to load the update on June’s computer and discovered that disc was flawed and it would
not load. Again because it was beyond 30-days from the date of purchase neither Dell nor Microsoft would exchange or replace the flawed disc. They were both ‘**** as holes’ and refused to replace or exchange the flawed
disc. My then Serbian friend suggested I use one of the other two copies but with the Product Key from the flawed disc.
(I don’t see my Serbian friend much anymore as he was becoming a very negative impact on me with his persistent alcoholism, which he keeps reverting too. It was just too much
of a drain on me when he and his wife would call me for help dealing with the recurring problems he got into because of his drinking. Last time I saw him we left with him hugging me, but he hasn’t called for about six months
now, which I hope is a good sign.)
Anyway, that worked and the installation
appeared to be working properly. I was subsequently told that in both or all three cases, I was supposed to have first uninstalled the original version and then re-installed the Upgrade version. In the most recent situation I was afraid to do that for fear of losing some or all of my other installed programs and data. The typical response with the Microsoft support personnel, was to re-format my hard drive, which, to me was a totally unacceptable approach as I would lost all my loaded programs and personal date which on my desktop is about 15 GB; which is a major
catastrophe for me.

Dad,

You have pointed out a very difficult dilemma. Did you get any resolution on this?

Thoughts:
-Symantec’s Norton System Works has a utility called WinDoctor that identifies and corrects some registry problems. If you have not had any further luck with the technical support, that might be another avenue to pursue.
-Do you have any firmware patches that need to be performed?

(Me) I do use Norton System Works (Professional on all three of the computers,
and because of the amount of programs and changes find the Norton WinDoctor very useful in resolving many problems. It was not of any help with the problem on (My Wifes) computer.

-Someone mentioned MS may no longer supporting Windows 98 beginning this month.

That is possible; though in my opinion not reasonable. Many users simply have no need to update. However, Windows 98 was a 16-bit program, whereas Windows 98 Second Edition, and forward are 32-bit programs, and virtually
all new programs are 32, or maybe it is now 64-bit programs with XP and forward; I am not sure about the 64-bit scene. I wonder when we move forward to Pentium-5, which I suppose will be 128-bit software. Have not heard any
mention of that; probable just not cost effective; though the Pentium 4 has been a terrific evolution.

-Have you tried running regedit to check the registry yourself?

Editing or changing the Registry is much to complex for me to experiment with. On several occasions with my Gateway Pentium Pro, and a couple of times on my Pentium 4 Desktop Microsoft people have walked me though the
Regedit route, and I was expecting them to suggest going that route on (MY Wife’s) computer, but none of the people I was communicating with were smart enough to get into that. For the last maybe three years those support people have been mostly Canadians, though a couple of times they bumped me up
a tier where I was working with individual in the U.S., never in the same location. Sounds like most of them work by phone out of there home’s; not a bad idea I suppose. This last round, the first two were Indians, who obviously did not have a good command of the English language, and even more obviously had absolutely no competence; They were just pure bulls shitters trying to impress someone with how smart they were going off in to farfetched scenarios that completely ignored the problem I was having. To a lesser degree this was also true with the Canadians. After the third round
with the Indians, another person intervened, who I suspect was Canadian, but even he never did respond to the problem I had, and none of them would make any positive response to my questions; they would simply divert with another inappropriate suggestion. Earlier, I was most impressed with the skill of the domestic ‘male’ people; but universally, not just some, but every female were clearly incompetent liars, just pure lying bulls shitters; their simplistic solution was to reformat my hard drive; just no comprehension of the problems they were creating for me in their inappropriate diagnoses and every one of them left me with a nightmare situation that I eventually had to resolve on my own.

-Presumably, you have searched on the MS web site for the error text.

I found no error test for the problem I was having, the error message provided no error code; It simply said that the update I was trying to install did not match my operating system. The Operating System was clearly
coming up as Window XP, and the Updates the system was finding and downloading were clearly Windows XP; but repeatedly after downloading them that same message would come up after starting the installation.

-There are also some books on the Windows registry that might show you the problem and how to correct it.

I sure this is true; but I did not feel I had the time to educate myself on editing the Windows registry; actually I am not satisfied that we are
talking about a Windows Registry problem, but rather I think the topic is more likely the computer system registry, which is a bag of worms that one error can totally zero out every thing on the computer; which is not a direction I can afford to go; That is a problem that virtually no service person I have ever known was competent to diagnose and correct; it would cost as much or more to resolve than to buy an entirely new computer, which is beyond my capacity to deal with.

Regarding the slams on third world origin status, I’m not certain I agree with the open hostility. It could be interpreted as racism, arrogance, insecurity, ignorance, or taken as an offense by a non-Christian. From my personal experience, I’ve always found these types of attacks do not ever really buy anything toward resolving the problem.

(To My Oldest Son), I would agree only to the extent that it would be unwise for anyone
in an enslaved position such as you and your siblings are in to expose such feelings in an employment environment, so I do not suggest you should become involved in that manner yourself. However, unless and until we each
individually and collectively intelligently addresses the several problems you allude to, you, not just myself, are and will continue to be the victim of these problems. My anger is directed not at the workers in the third world countries but at our own ‘Corporate and Lazy Middle Class Americans’ who are selling out the United States for momentary gain and privilege;

They, which includes you, are strangling the Goose that lays the Golden Eggs. I would ask that you give attention and thought to just who you are, where you are and where you and yours are going to end up. Instead of acting like helpless sheep being led to your own slaughter, I would like to see you and your sibling exhibit leadership and social responsibility. That begins with acquiring an understanding of just what the hell is happening to you; what the dynamics of mankind are.
You need to understand that it was Christian leadership that inspired and built this nation and that the God Of Christ Jesus will not tolerate a people who abandon him; please for my sake, because you are all I have, lead yourself, your family, and your siblings into the community of active believing Christians; become an active member of a Bible Reading Congregation.
Do not continue to dishonor the many men
and women who have lost their lives and fortunes fighting to create and defend this nation that you by your inaction are now destroying. Your leadership by example is the only hope the non-Christian world has. Just
as you tend to despise me, to the extent that you proclaim but do not act out Christian Leadership, the non-Christian world also despises you; I take comfort in the words of J. Vernon McGee, who said that he preferred to be known by who his self-declared enemies were.

I will diverse for just a moment with an experience (MY wife) recently exposed me
to. She plays tennis often three times a week with a group of mostly Jewish, Indian (Virtually all Hindu) and Korean (Mostly, quiet non-vocal
Christian) doctor’s wives, and occasionally the doctor husbands also play.

About three weeks ago one of the Indian women whose husband is a heart surgeon threw a party at her rather elaborate home in a private gated community. The house is loaded with mostly Hindu statues and artifacts they
have collected on their world travel. They are quite intense in their practice of their Hindu beliefs/Religion if you will. If you have not you
should educate yourself of the religious practices of Hindus, Muslims and Jews in particular and also the likes of Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses; by Christian standards they are, some what like Catholics, rather heathenistic in their worship of idols and the like. You may not be aware of it, but the
Indians being largely Hindus, are particular pagonistic in their worship:
During World War II the Indians, because they had such a deep hatred of the Colonial rule under the English, refused to join or support the Western Allies against Hitler and the Japanese, and in fact joined the Axis of Hitler and the Japanese. About midway through the war the U. S. forces attacked and defeated in a pitch battle a Japanese contingent that were guest of the Indians; After this defeat the Indian government went underground in
their opposition to the U.S. and the Allies, but they have never really like the U.S.
Anyway at this Indian’s party the lady took pride in showing us their Hindu Shrine where every day after taking a bath and cleaning themselves up each member of the family steps into this closet size Hindu Shrine to pray.
The striking thing about the shrine was the large German Swastika inlaid in the floor. It is obviously imbedded in the Indian Hindu folk lore; and I doubt these Indians are smart enough to know its significance. I have
never had either successful or good business relationship with an Indian, nor for that matter a Muslim or a Jew, and don’t know anyone else who has.

(My wife) (& I) were invited to this party solely as an attempt to entice us into accepting their religion; they had absolute no respect for or interest in our own faith. Anyway, it is almost impossible to not have an Indian doctor come into the scene anytime one is admitted to a hospital or is referred out to a specialist: I just shudder to think about the quality of care that is possible for one who is ignorant enough to subscribe to one of those heathenistic religions; and I see the same quality coming out of these specialist Microsoft is using to replace our domestic talent.

A few weeks ago, I was watching C-SPAN for a few minutes and the speaker was commenting on the attention Congress is giving to the out-sourcing of our high tech and manufacturing jobs to the third world. He noted that India is
now boasting that they now are the new ‘Silicon Valley’ of the world having 75% of the World’s high tech jobs, which are in excess of 100,000 such jobs.

Free Trade was a part of this discussion. Supposedly international Free Trade, meaning no tariffs, was supposed to work by creating buying power of the workers in third world countries, so that they would then be able to buy our U.S. made products. But of course that is not what is happening; any more than leveraged buyouts by Monopolistic capital interests is working any differently here in the U.S. As I have noted earlier, Unregulated Free
Enterprise is absolute the worst form of Government ever advocated; whereas a
Regulated Free Enterprise is absolutely the best form of Government? The speaker noted that those third world workers are still living in as much squalor as they were before the jobs came. The corporations are keeping their profits; not sharing them with the workers. The same principles (and principals) are working worldwide to destroy competition with the rich
getting richer and the poor getting poorer.
An extension of the thought:
Monday evening, January 6, 2004 at 10:00PM +/- I tuned in to C-Span to a live broadcast of an interview/speech by Kevin Phillips on his book he has recently released titled ‘American Dynasty’ in which he has traced the trail of the Bush Family ‘dynasty’ starting in the 1920′s forward to the present. He points out that his book is based entirely on information in the ‘public record’; he cites the New York area ‘Green Book’, a directory of corporate Boards of Directors as one of his most productive and revealing information sources. He notes the deceitful practices of Bush One and Bush Two; It is all too obvious who the real ‘evil ones’ are.

So, (My Oldest Son), just remember that you along with your siblings, and my grandchildren own the future, so when you turn your nose up at those who are and become upset with the ‘Republican’ status quo it is you and yours who
are going to pay the price; I and my generation won’t be here that much longer

The truth is that it probably detracts from the questioning of the technical competence of the individual, the leadership team, and the organization at which your anger and resentment are directed.

HUH!

I am not a legal professional, however, consider the following facts:

-you have repeatedly attempted to resolve a faulty upgrade process over which you have no control,

I do not agree!

-you still desire to use the product,

True

-you have exercised good faith in attempting to resolve the issues,

True

-you have invested an unreasonable number of hours,

Not By Choice, but rather necessity!
-You have invested in the product, and
True

- (I am assuming) you have a valid license for the upgraded product(s).

True

Personally, I think you’d be better off asking them for a “Free” disk with Windows XP and a valid license to be shipped off to you, next day express.

Been there, Done That to no avail!

Since you own the disks for the upgrades, this should be viewed as a reasonable request, considering your efforts to date.

True!

Bottom line is, it is probably not worth the heartache you are putting yourself through, even though you are technically RIGHT. Cost wise, it is more efficient to go out and purchase XP (non-upgrade version), and install it fresh onto the machine in question. Providing the hardware is compatible, this will probably be the most expedient route to getting the
computer back running again. Protect yourself from the frustration and stress these people are putting you through.

No reason to believe that would have worked!
Considering the results I noted above you are correct that it was a flawed product, but it appears that the cure had to come from Microsoft as it did. I suspect that Windows XP as it was originally introduce which was the version I had installed, imbedded an imperfection that was installed with the
original disc and need to be expunged as it apparently was to correct the problem. I suspect that my ‘hostility’ was successfully communicated and solution was surreptitiously imbedded in the online download.

I have found in the past that Microsoft will never admit to a problem or error; it is a yuppie mentality; they simply talk in circles until someone else resolves the issue or go away.

Unfortunately, filing a complaint with small claims court or the better business bureau might be an exercise that could very well exceed your or even my life span. Based on the results of the previous antitrust lawsuit
by multiple states, the American public has already spoken out loudly about these and many other integrity problems with this particular software vendor. If a $1 billion dollar PUBLIC ANTITRUST lawsuit did not get
through, it is unlikely that anything ever will. This is a black hole which continues to suck up your time, your productivity, your money, your
resources, and still continues to grow ‘denser’ by the minute.

While what you say is 90% true it does not provide any relief. There simply is no other product that does what Windows and related Microsoft products do. Contrary to what you say the lawsuits have resulted in significant improvements in Microsoft products and in the corporate management style. The complaints I have with Microsoft are not that different than problems with any other Corporation or business. I simply will not endure quietly; and yes I will become very hostile and angry; and this does produce positive results.

Perhaps a stronger Christian than I would point out that the Biblical principles of escalation for conflict resolution as described in the New Testament might be in order. Rebuke them in the various required escalated settings, then if they do not change, accept it and treat them like a tax collector or a sinner.

I do not have enough time left in my life to exercise any patience with rascals. I do
hope to be patient with anyone who is being honest and forthright, even if wrong.

I recall a movie about Norman Vincent Peale, author of several inspirational books, who once responded to questions regarding his pursuit of the woman who would later become his wife something to the effect of “I’m not the only guy on the block. She can say ‘No’ anytime she wants to. But until she makes her intentions clear to me, I will continue courting her.”

Not sure what your point is, but if there is a parallel; Microsoft is the only girl, not just on
the block, but in the whole damn world.

You deserve to be treated with respect. You are free to make your own choice of software vendors, and hardware manufacturers.

If you care to prove your point then share with me who is another vendor that comes even remotely close to Microsoft. There simply is none, so I encourage you not to talk nonsense.

Love,

(My Oldest Son)
—–Original Message—–
From: Herman Osborne [mailto:hermanosborne@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:00 AM
To: ‘info@johnedwards.com’
Subject: Re: Your Purported Universal Health Plan
Importance: High
Sensitivity: Private
You are making a worse mistake than Bill and Hillary Clinton did in 1992/4. The plan you are calling Universal Health Care is simply not a Universal Health Care Plan. What you’re proposing is a simply a mess that illustrates you do not really understand what the problem is nor what the answer to the problem is. A Universal Health Plan is simply applying our present Medicare System to every Citizen and Legal Resident of and in the U.S. but then also including a comprehensive (100% Coverage) Supplement for which the premium would be subject to a means testing. Please go to my Website: www.Investordiversified.net and consider all the notes under My Personal Philosophy website page. Also, do yourself a favor and talk to Dr. Quentin Young of the Cook County Hospital etc. He may well be in retirement by now; He has been an active Advocate for many years of a Single Payer Universal Health Plan. Like yourself, most advocates of Universal Health Plans simply do not put themselves in shoes of the lower 100,000,000 Americans and so you come up with just a bunch of blather that does not fix the problem nor will it get you elected. You will simply be tied in to equally unworkable plans as those the Clintons advocated for, which were illogical and wouldn’t sell or work then nor will they now. The Clintons quickly spun of into advocating a Modified HMO plan: An HMO plan, again simply pits the consumer/patients need against the lust and greed of the Corporate entity’s desire and need for profits, again bringing nothing positive to the table.
Health Care is an area to which the Insurance Industry has no answer, other than PROFITEERING. The Insurance Industry brings nothing positive to the table. The issues in Health Care are simply to complex and to conflicted by social and economic issues and rapidly evolving science such that they do not lend themselves to stabilized mortality and morbidity (costing) tables. It is OXYMORANIC and a disservice to the Health Care Industry to refer to Health Care as an Insurable or Insurance issue. It is NOT and cannot be.
Sincerely,
Herman Osborne
—–Original Message—–
From: Herman Osborne [mailto:hermanosborne@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 4:10 PM
To: ‘O’Reilly@FoxNews.com’
Subject:
Importance: High
Sensitivity: Private
Mr. O’Reilly:
I wish to, also, invite you to consider the points I make in the attached & below copy of E-Mail Messages I have submitted to John Edwards and Senator Obama (both of their offices acknowledged the messages and in the My Spaces blogg), and to my website My Personal Philosophy and Auto-Biography pages (These are Messages that I shared with Former President Clinton & Vice President Gore (They and one other are the only ones who responded), and approximately 40 other prominent figures in the 1992 time frame. If this message reaches you, I want you to know how much I appreciate you and all the others at Fox News for your collective good works.
Sincerely and cordially yours,
Herman Osborne
—–Original Message—–
From: Herman Osborne [mailto:hermanosborne@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:13 PM
To: ‘info@barackobama.com’
Subject: Would like to share the attached with you.
Importance: High
Sensitivity: Private
From: Herman Osborne [hermanosborne@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:31 AM
To: ‘info@johnedwards.com’
Subject: I totally Disagree on ‘your Betrayal’ Message

Importance: High
Sensitivity: Private
Mr. Edwards: When you first appeared on my screen/awareness running with John Kerry, I was impressed with your verbal and physical demeanor. Because I so thoroughly despise Bush I, I translated that to Bush II. But as time progressed I realized that neither you nor John Kerry stood for anything in particular. I tend to take people at their word unless and until they with their own conduct and words teach me different. The net result is that I progressively came to even more despise what John Kerry stands for and concurrently came to realize that while you have a tremendous presence on your feet for a shoulder to shoulder presentation, that you demonstrate absolutely no original positive understanding of anything political. You (and fellow travelers) parrot the very worst of John Kerry’s hatred, while offering nothing in the way of a substantive message. I do sympathize with your Elizabeth in her battle with cancer and do hope and pray for her and for you in your private struggles, but that said wish you would rethink your positions in the political arena.
I would like to invite you to look up my website, www.InvestorDiversified.net and there go to both My Personal Philosophy and My Biography Pages, which will tell you what I would like to see in my choice for political candidates. I really don’t expect anyone to buy into 100% of what I propose, but would like my positions to be considered.
I do think that our theological base is significant in determining our political posture. I also do not believe any human being can achieve the perfection I would like to see in myself or others, which means that I only trust and respect myself and any other person to the extent I sense that they understand and desire to walk the walk and talk the talk based on a sound Christian Doctrine. I accept in myself and others something less than perfection, when I sense there heart is in the right place.
I understood as Bush II, and crew, blustered in their build up to the Iraq Invasion that particularly Bush II and Cheney were lying through their teeth about WMD etc; Just as FDR similarly silenced intelligence about the coming Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor as a ploy to get American involved in opposing Hitler and the Japan threat in World War II.
Beginning with our American Revolution, Americans have never been forthcoming in standing up to defend and fight for anything: seems we have always only fought when we had our backs to the wall, or were tricked into fighting for what is in our best interest. So I, in my mind at the time forgave and still do forgive Bush II for leading us into this war. What I don’t forgive is John Kerry’s, Ted Kennedy’s, Barack Obama and fellow travelers like yourself disingenuous and even traitorous complaints about the progress of this War. You obviously do not understand that this is a Religious War, which is a, biblically, the lead up to The End Times (I do think that our lord will come only when he is ready; that He is long-suffering, to give every soul in his creation a chance to willfully come to him, or reject him, first); a War between Christians and All Non-Christians. The Muslims understand this battle totally and are prepared (setting their own time frame) to die to destroy all Non-Muslims to demonstrate their faith to their God; Whereas we as a People (All Non-Muslims) rebel at an understanding of the problem, and are not willing to inconvenience ourselves, let alone dying for our cause, whatever that cause my really be.
I give John Kerry credit for having volunteered for military service in Vietnam, but despise him for turning that into a traitorous abandonment of the fight with the obvious intent of promoting his own opportunistic ambitions for political office. I don’t see any evidence that you have ever laid your life on the line for anything; perhaps you have but I have not seen or heard any evidence of such a conviction on your part. In contrast, Bush II started as playboy from one of Americas wealthiest families, pandering privilege and position, faking Air National Guard service, appointments to Boards of Directors etc., and on the into Political office. Once in office though he has displayed a talent for Personality Plus; with the guts to develop positions and to stand and fight for what he believes is right. It was obvious, I think to every one that cared to exercise responsible thought, that he went into Iraq (On The Cheap) without insight or advise or strategy to win a peace: counting on technological Shock and Awe against an adversary that had learned their lesson in survival from their experience with Desert Storm (I) (Cheney/Rumsfelds’ Foley).
Thank you in advance for any consideration of my suggestions.
Herman Osborne
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GVO